----- Original Message -----
From: kathrine connolly <[log in to unmask]>
To: : <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:41 AM
Subject: Fw: Fw:penis envy .........a myth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kathrine connolly <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:36 AM
> Subject: Fw:penis envy .........a myth
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kathrine connolly <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
> >
> >
> > > Gerald
> > >
> > > 'I think you are away with the fairies' 'all women envy the penis '
> maybe
> > > it is your story, but then you are a man and lets face it most men
like
> to
> > > believe this myth, the same kind of man that gives their penis a name
> > > ..........sorry but what did you expect. This is the kind of comment
> that
> > > would make any woman, that values her womanhood, want to bite the
ankle
> > (or
> > > even the testicles of the man that said this)...Pleassssse, women do
not
> > > need to go waving there bits around and accusing the opposite sex of
> being
> > > jealous of a bodily part. This is not a valid argument or an
> intelligent
> > > statement, and I sincerely hope you are just a counsellor in training,
> and
> > > have not been let loose on the general public with such biased views,
> you
> > > know equal opps etc.
> > >
> > > As a single parent of three children, totally unsupported by a penis
> (cos
> > an
> > > awful lot of penis's have no scrupples) I have brought my children up,
> > > completed a degree in psychology, a diploma in psychodynamic
counselling
> > > (yes) and am in the process of struggling with my
doctorate...........I
> > can
> > > assure you I do not envy a penis or even resent a penis .............I
> > feel
> > > rather sad for the poor human beings that are attached to a penis,
and
> > > worry about the apparently strange connection between the penis and
the
> > > brain.
> > >
> > > I realise that these comments are exactly what this site is not about.
> > and
> > > I apologise to the other members. I would just like to add that I
find
> > your
> > > comments offensive and without validation. I am a feminist, or should
I
> > say
> > > a person that believes all people should be equal.............but
don't
> we
> > > all believe this and if we do not then we should. I think Shulamith
> > > Firestone has a valid point in that women will never be equal until
the
> > > burden of child bearing is removed from women and it becomes an
asexual
> > > process. then it can no longer be used as a guilt trip to control
> women.
> > > Because child-bearing and the concept of womanhood has been used as a
> > method
> > > of control since the ark.
> > >
> > > oh by the way I am now a lesbian, oh I did not start out as one, but
> after
> > > being beaten up on a regular basis by a thing attached to a penis. I
> > > decided to bat for the other team..........BUT I AM THE
> > > EXCEPTION.........most lesbians are with women because they love women
> > > ..........not because they hate men. having said that of my three
> > children
> > > two are boys, and I adore all of them. And I do not envy a penis,
> because
> > I
> > > am a very attractive woman (kate Bush look alike) . I think the
thing
> > that
> > > is so frustrating about such an inane comment like yours is that I
> cannot
> > > argue about it in any depth, and the bottom line is that my comments
are
> > as
> > > shallow as yours ...........and after seven years of working with the
> > > Samaritans, victim support and working in a young offenders prison
> > (category
> > > 'A' .....lifers ......male) I do not think I am a shallow person.
> > >
> > > apologises to the other members again
> > >
> > > KT
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Helen <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Helen <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: G.F. Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Gerald
> > > > >
> > > > > 'All women envy the Penis' - I resent this statement for a number
of
> > > > > reasons. Firstly I wonder how many gay woman would agree with
you?
> > Why
> > > > > would a woman envy something that deflates in later life, lets
face
> > it
> > > > you
> > > > > only get 2 years use out of a penis (maximum). Also all women are
> > > taught
> > > > > from a very early age that all men only think with their penis,
> recent
> > > > > statistics show that one in two women prefer chocolate to sex,
long
> > live
> > > > the
> > > > > Cadburys flake! It does the same job but tastes a hundred times
> > better.
> > > > > I really do not like lowering myself to this level, however,
there
> > was
> > > no
> > > > > need for your statement I feel it was totally uncalled for and was
> > petty
> > > > and
> > > > > pathetic and just like an insecure man to come out with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hel.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: G.F. Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Stephen
> > > > > > I swore, in an earlier message I said that I would not , under
any
> > > > > > circumstances reply to anything bearing the the name ADHD. I am
> > > however
> > > > > > moved by your message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is unfortunate that I should reply to you in a psychodynamic
> > way.
> > > > I
> > > > > > totally support you in your statement. It feels unfortunate to
> me
> > > > that
> > > > > in
> > > > > > this politically correct society, that we should not be allowed
to
> > > > suggest
> > > > > > the MOTHER as being important. She is , indeed, terribly
> > importamt
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > upbringing of the infant. Without the Mother we should surely
be
> > > lost.
> > > > I
> > > > > > consider feminists' to be without breast and without that which
> > could
> > > be
> > > > > > described as WOMANHOOD. For the Femiinists amongst you, can
> reply,
> > > but
> > > > > > before you do please listen from a Feminist Friend; 'If my
foetus
> > is
> > > > male
> > > > > I
> > > > > > will kill it' After birth the BABY (BOY) was the love of her
> > life
> > > > and
> > > > > is
> > > > > > now a Consultant Physician in a a major taeching hospital, in
> > London.
> > > > His
> > > > > > mother is in constant contact and tells me that the milk is
still
> in
> > > her
> > > > > > breasts. SOMEONE EXPLAIN IF YOU CAN?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Due to the abuse in this group, I am not in the least interested
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > political views of the feminist movement, but only from WOMEN in
> the
> > > > true
> > > > > > sense of the word.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gerald
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ' All Women envy the Penis'
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Rennie, Steve [HES] <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Date: 02 May 2000 11:43
> > > > > > Subject: RE: ADD & ADHD
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Helen (and others in the ADHD thread), I have been a playworker
> > since
> > > > the
> > > > > > late 1960s, mostly on adventure playgrounds in the UK. In the
> last
> > > > > fifteen
> > > > > > years my direct work with children has tended to be more
> specialist.
> > > > Over
> > > > > > the years many children have come to me with labels,
increasingly
> of
> > > > late
> > > > > > ADHD. I have never yet found a child labelled in that way who
was
> > > unable
> > > > > to
> > > > > > relate to me constructively and attentively through their play.
In
> a
> > > > short
> > > > > > series of experiments, I asked principal carers, who had
expressed
> > > major
> > > > > > concerns about their relationships with their children, to
engage
> > with
> > > > > them
> > > > > > in imaginal play. Every one reported considerable and sustained
> > > > > improvements
> > > > > > both in their relationships with the child and in the child's
> > > > > relationships
> > > > > > with others.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >My observations of children with their principal carers
> > > (overwhelmingly
> > > > > > their mothers) appear to indicate that most apparently
anti-social
> > > > > > behaviours exhibited by the children are best explained as
> > > "dysplay",
> > > > > > distorted play cues arising from increasingly desperate attempts
> on
> > > the
> > > > > part
> > > > > > of the child to get playful interaction with the carer. A short
> > period
> > > > of
> > > > > > accurate response to play cues appears to diminish this
"dysplay"
> > > > > > dramatically and in a sustained fashion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The major problem I have had in gaining acceptance of this
> > technique,
> > > > > would
> > > > > > appear to be its lack of seriousness. Engaging with a child in
> > > imaginal
> > > > > play
> > > > > > looks silly and adult participants often say that it feels silly
> at
> > > > first.
> > > > > > One mother of a four year old who had set fire to his nursery
> school
> > > and
> > > > > his
> > > > > > house said that it felt she was ignoring the problem when she
just
> > > > played
> > > > > > cars (with noises) while lying on the carpet with him. However,
> she
> > > also
> > > > > > said that the end of that session, when he spontaneously cuddled
> > her,
> > > > was
> > > > > > the first time that had happened since he had been a baby.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >If I had made the option of medication for the child available
to
> > > that
> > > > > > mother at the outset, I am sure that she would have taken it.
She
> > > would
> > > > > have
> > > > > > felt she was addressing a serious problem seriously.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Stephen Rennie, Leeds Metropolitan University
> > > > > > >[log in to unmask]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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