I thoght that this might interest some of you. It is part
of an ongoing debate about class, the political-cultural
significance of May Day and involvement with
anti-capitalist social struggle (particularly the recent
and forthcoming Carnivals Against Capitalism).
This topic was touched upon on this list in November with
the 'Yo Bumrush the Homebase' correspondences although for
me this did'nt really tackle the issues of academics and
the varieties of activism involved in such struggles.
Any thoughts ?
Best,
David.
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:31:39 -0500
From: Frank Ambrose <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [mayday2k]the eight-hour day plus a few things
from NZ
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Education is important, but do we want the upper class to be dictating to
people what the terms of the revolution are? They do. If the cause is too
radical, most profs will not even touch it. If it is relatively minor, or
not controversial, then they will try to talk about it in a neutral light
and try to put some subversion in it to make people lean the liberal
direction. This is where the majority of the profs are. We need to be doing
our own educating.
Next, I would say, put your money where your mouth is. Prof's make a lot of
money, and what do they do with that money? (big houses?) Most of the people
I know and work with put most everything they make right into the movement.
There are not many prof's who are willing to do this.
Do they actually ever get people out? Rarely. I have never been to a demo
where the profs were responsible for a 100 people or even 50. I do not want
to dis a whole group of people because there are some good ones, but by and
large, most of the academics spend more time in books than on the street. We
need to be on the street and talking to people. They are more concerned
with their job security than making the revolution happen.
Frank
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From: Babylon Horuv <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: January 26, 2000 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [mayday2k]the eight-hour day plus a few things from NZ
> From: "Babylon Horuv" <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Lecturing is meme warfare. It can make a huge difference. more than
direct action in a lot of cases. Of course, if it is not backed by action
in some way it is no good, but if one proffessor can inspire a few hundred
students to action (and that is more than likely given a whole career)
wouldn't you say he has done his part ofr the revolution?
> --
>
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:55:30 Frank Ambrose wrote:
> >From: "Frank Ambrose"
> >
> >folks,
> >
> >Dont be fooled, most academics have chosen their class. Just look at the
> >neighborhoods that surround the university -it is apparent what class
they
> >are.
> >
> >There are a lot of liberal and even so called "radical" academics who
want
> >to be on our side, but will never put their ass on the line to actualize
the
> >revolution. There are some though, but they are few and far between. Most
> >are just too comfortable to actually do stuff besides lecture to make a
> >change. They live in those big houses while the rest of us have shitty
> >little rat holes.
> >
> >Frank A.
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Babylon Horuv
> >To:
> >Sent: January 26, 2000 3:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: [mayday2k]the eight-hour day plus a few things from NZ
> >
> >
> >> From: "Babylon Horuv"
> >>
> >> Service workers are definitely working class (at least all the ones
that
> >actually provide a service) As to academics, well, they haven't chosen
> >their class yet in most cases. But if they are joining in our struggle,
who
> >cares?
> >> --
> >>
> >> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:05:58 SMMORG wrote:
> >> >From: [log in to unmask]
> >> >
> >> >In a message dated 1/25/2000 10:15:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >> >
> >> ><< I sure am classist - I want to see an end to the class
> >> > tyranny of the ruling class - I want to see a society
> >> > run by the producers - that means on the whole - the
> >> > working class - and the obvious allies of the working
> >> > class - the poor peasntry and so on. >>
> >> >
> >> >Wanting to end classes is not classist, quite the opposite. Their
are
> >lots
> >> >of folks in this world who are very valuable workers that aren't
> >"producers,"
> >> >like, say, those that offer services. And do you consider academics
> >working
> >> >class? Their are quite a few of those that have been absolutely
> >invaluable
> >> >to the left/anarchist movement.
> >> >
> >> >chris
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