Dom,
I don't know the clinical distinctions, but I would call Bukowski
Narcissistic because his approach was, like most of us as regards our
writing, that of a conscious showman hawking a product. Bukowski's
'craft' was to make it appear that the work, "self-abasement" and all,
was generated spontaneously
from his deviance and addictions. His sentimentality gives him away.
Carlo
Parcelli
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You people should come to Australia. Some examples from my recent
purchases:
Vasco Popa Collected Poems (hardback) - $75
Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry and Poetics (paperback) - $89
Charles Olson Selected by Robert Creeley (paperback) - $35
Mandelstam Selected (a very thin Penguin) - $18
Gatsos' Amorgos translated by Sally Purcell (a very small Anvil paperback) -
$36
All books are expensive here.
Vasili
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From: David Kennedy [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:12 AM
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Subject: Re: the price of materialism
well, you know, i generally agree with the money vs. value equation
that
alaric makes but i also think there's a wider issue here: too many
books
these days are just too chuffing expensive. it's a bit like when you
browse
in antique shops - every single item is priced about 20 quid more
than you
want to pay. i'll pay the price for something i want only if i think
the
materials/work involved merit it. and that's a decision everyone
makes
according to their own view.
cheers
david
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From: Alaric Sumner <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: 29 February 2000 17:04
Subject: Re: the price of materialism
>><<Personally I do not judge an art work by the price it costs.>>
>>
>>But surely the price is part of the materiality of the text?
>
>It is part of the Ownership of its materiality.
>
>I usually read in libraries. In UK many are still (just) free or in
>University Libraries where multiple readership means that the price
the
>university pays per reader can be reduced considerably.
>
>(Well, actually, I thought "The History of The/My World" was worth
buying
>even at 60 dollars when I was last in US. And I have relished its
>handprinted cover and the full colour throughout ever since. Cheap
at half
>the price. But then I VALUE poetry much higher than MONEY. I would
have
>like to have bought one of the original handprinted copies, but
also find
>it interesting to have a computer revision of the original. Useful
in my
>teaching.)
>
>Joseph, have you seen a copy? Or is this just shock that anyone
would spend
>60 dollars on a poetry book?
>
>How much would you spend on a book?
>
>I was very amused (sick) when I read in Bernstein's My Way the bit
about
>printing poetry on a sheet of paper making that sheet of paper LOSE
VALUE
>(Ric Caddell reminded me of the source of this on Britpo recently).
>
>60 dollars is the price of a good meal for 3?
>
>Which is more sustaining?
>
>Is it a virtue for poetry to be cheaply produced?
>
>
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