Dear Scott,
This was the issue I was hoping things would open out into. Ah well.
Thanks,
Bill H
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From: Scott Hamilton <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: In some agreement but not with Mairead
> "These are not people sitting down to write a poem as
> an intellectual
> exercise."
>
> Isn't every poem an intellectual exercise? After all,
> you write poetry with your brain, not your liver or
> kidneys :)
> Seriuosly, the question of the meaning of
> 'intellectual' in this debate needs to be answered.
>
> "`I am of the race that sang under torture' to
> translate Rimbaud.
> This is where PLath comes from. As did Catullis and
> Sorley Maclean."
>
> The young Rimbaud spent half his life in libraries. He
> wrote a poem complaining about the service there, that
> he couldn't get all the books he wanted...when his
> mama tried to get him to help out with a bit of work
> on the farm, he refused and shut himself up in a room
> to write A Season In Hell...as soon as he took up
> practical matters he gave up poetry...even when he did
> zany wild stuff like take hashish (horrible bloody
> stuff, if y'ask me) he planned it all out in advance
> and intellectualised it half to death afterwards...and
> wasn't Plath a star student at various American unis,
> winning prizes for shapely academic essays?
>
> Scott Hamilton
>
>
> Subject: (Whilst drinking my coffee)
> From: "William Herbert" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Dear Douglas,
>
> What's the distinction here?
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Douglas Clark <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: In some agreement but not with Mairead
>
>
> > And while I am waiting for the kettle to boil for my
> coffee I would
> > add that I think WAllace Stevens and Elizabeth
> Bishop belong more to
> > the intellectuals than to the poets, although they
> were poets on
> > occasion. The same could be said of Sidney Graham.
>
> `I am of the race that sang under torture' to
> translate Rimbaud.
> This is where PLath comes from. As did Catullis and
> Sorley Maclean.
> These are not people sitting down to write a poem as
> an intellectual
> exercise.
>
>
> =====
> "Why is it not possible for me to doubt that I have never been on the
moon? And how
> could I try to doubt it? First and foremost, the supposition that perhaps
I have
> been there would strike me as idle. Nothing would follow from it, nothing
be
> explained by it. It would not tie in with anything in my life...
Philosophical
> problems occur when language goes on holiday. We must not separate ideas
from life,
> we must not be misled by the appearances of sentences: we must investigate
the
> application of words in individual language-games" - Ludwig
Wittgenstein
>
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