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Re: Saffo? I hope not.....

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Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:34:43 -0400 (EDT)

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Hey, Erminea--You don't mind if I spell your name this way, do
you? Given the way you treat poor Sappho? (Say, do you know BiBi?
Think you girls have a lot in common--besides your come-ons to
Viv, I mean.) And sincerely hope you two aren't ganging up him--
he's already been through enough lately, what with the Ordeal of
the Phantom Phaxer (another Odyssean figure, coincidentally?).
[SIDEBAR TO VIV: Just cuz I didn't answer yer "conceit" query
duzn't mean I haven't bin keepin' a weather eye on yez!]
--Candice

P.S. Btw, Earminea, Sappho's "suicide" is as "proverbial" as her
"ugliness."

P.P.S. Try not to post your HTML-draggin' e-messages FOUR times,
okay? (Almost as irritatin' as yer slanderous comments on Sappho.)


At 05:32 AM 10/20/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Dear Viv,
>
>well, in spite of my immense appreciation of Saffo as a poet, well I am nor
really
>flattered to be compared to her: she was a lesbian (in love with Lesbia)
>With all the respect for the lesbians, I have other tastes.
>Moreover, and more embarrassing....her ugliness was so remarkable as to
become proverbial. On the contrary, I am very beautiful.
>... finally, she committed suicide, because of non reciprocated love for a
boat-man.
>
>EP.

>----- Original Message -----
>  From: Viv Kitson
>  To: [log in to unmask]
>  Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 2:49 PM
>  Subject: Re: Reality & existence
>
>
>  Erminia - You must admit that, as a male, to be compared with Ulysses is
very flattering! I have not seen your "image", but, if having done so, I
compared you to Sappho, would you find that flattering? (Can't be bothered
going to the bookshelves to find my volume of Sappho, but I do recall that
the cover carries the one (?) extant image of her: pen to lips, the Grecian
hair style of the time...very attractive!)
>
>  I did, however, go to the bookshelves to get Homer's "Odyssey" - the
Penguin E.V. Rieu translation.(And just a short aside to WA list members
here: purchased at Alberts Bookshop, Forrest Place, Perth. God! How long ago
was that?). His rendering of the passage you provided seems far more stilted
and "old fashioned" than that you provided.
>
>  I ask this because (although I studied Homer's "Iliad" at university, and
have read it since, I can't recall having read the "Odyssey", but probably
did read the volume from the bookshelves, contemporaneously with Dante, when
I was 15 or 16), if I am to read or re-read the Odyssey, I'd like to do so
in a "good", readable translation. Any recommendations Erminia? Others?
>
>  Cheers,
>  Viv
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>    From: Erminia Passannanti
>    To: [log in to unmask]
>    Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:13 PM
>    Subject: Re: Reality & existence
>
>    Viv,
>
>    since you seem to be fond of looking like Ulysses, as Bibi rightly
pointed out, (many must have visited your web-site, I suppose, after you
made it known)here is a nice passage from Homer's Odyssey for you and Bibi
to enjoy.
>
>    EP

>    BOOK XXIII Odyssey
>
>    But, now, since you have given me accurate proof describing bed, which
no other mortal man beside has ever seen, only you and I, and there is one
serving woman, Aktor's daughter, whom my father gave me when I came here,
who used to guard the doors for us in our well-built chamber; you persuade
my heart, though it has been very stubborn. She spoke, and still more roused
in him the passion for weeping. He wept too as he held his lovely wife,
whose thoughts were virtuous. And as when the land appears welcome to men
who are swimming, after Poseidon has smashed their strong-built ship on the
open water, pounding it with the weight of wind and the heavy seas, and only
a few escape the gray water landward swimming, with a thick scurf of salt
coated upon them, gladly they set foot on the shore, escaping the evil;
welcome was her husband to her as she looked upon him, she could not let him
go from the embrace of her white arms. Now Dawn of the rosy fingers would
have dawned on their weeping, not the gray-eyed goddess Athene planned it
otherwise. She held the long night back at the outward edge



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