This is a joke, right?
Hopefully but not very,
Candice
At 11:02 AM 7/17/00 -0700, you wrote:
>David,
>
>This is my second go at a response to your message. I should clarify my
>position. I don't think a rigorous application process for poetryetc is
>practical- it's a free forum and we should try to keep it that way. Who
>would have time to assess applications unpaid?
>
>But I do think we should do two things to safeguard both listmembers and the
>integrity and democracy of discussions.
>
>1. Invite absent, valued listmembers like Viv and Joe back with promise of a
>self-regulatory Code Of Practice.
>
>2. Jointly draft a Code of Practice that is emailed to all new members on
>the understanding that upon violation they will be issued with three
>warnings by a nominated list member or by John Kinsella, after which they
>will be removed from the mailing list for a set period. After which they can
>rejoin if they choose.
>
>The Code of Practice would read approximately as follows:
>
>a) Discussion to be soley about poetry and matters of demonstrated
>relevance, eg. news of publications, philosphical issues, anything else that
>is presented in the context of an argument, or for the benefit of the group
>
>b) Personal attacks, gratuitous self-promotion, threatening language,
>presumptions and prejudices of all kinds about fellow members to be left at
>the door
>
>c) An honour system whereby each member makes any effort to listen to
>others' arguments, however foreign, and try to ensure the democracy and
>contructiveness of proceedings
>
>d) Endeavour to create a forum for diversity, where women, ESL speakers and
>younger writers, as well as older, established and of course male writers,
>cam feel comfortable speaking
>
>e) Attention to the logic and relevance of our own posts, and a willingness
>to be wrong on ocassion, without loss of face
>
>c) Forum not to be used as a drop-in centre
>On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:05:20 +0100, [log in to unmask] wrote:
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>Contributions welcome.
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>Cheers,
>
>Cassie Lewis
>
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>> Cassie Lewis wrote to the effect that we should not be looking for ways
>to
>> exclude people. I have to confess that while I respect this view, I find
>it
>> difficult to share it. It seems to me that there are individuals whose
>sole
>> purpose in joining lists like poetryetc is to (a)advertise their own
>> personalities (b)abuse other members and (c) who think it is their divine
>> mission to 'liven up' such lists by various types of 'mischief' which -
>> surprise, surprise - no-one finds funny. In my view this makes them
>> self-excluding because they are not participating in the subject of the
>> list. But most importantly, it excludes others - witness the fact that
>> several people have left this list because they are fed up with the level
>to
>> which it has in some areas descended. This is, of course, just one view
>of
>> such activity. Everyone will have their own.
>>
>> However, I agree with Cassie that we should all move on and in the
>interests
>> of that I would like to discuss some poetry. I came across a book
>recently
>> which came out last year and seems to have eluded reviewers. It is called
>> Almost and is by Oliver Reynolds. Reynolds is an Anglo-Welsh poet who has
>> probably suffered from an early association with Craig Raine and the
>> so-called martians or metaphor men. Anyway, his new book is much better
>than
>> that and well worth a look. It's published by Faber and I'll end by
>quoting
>> a bit from a poem called 'The Gap' which, yes, does in part derive from
>the
>> cotton clothing chain:
>>
>> Your white jeans had a workman's loop, handy for a hammer
>> Which, climbing into a cab ("Chinatown..."),
>> Snagged, and the seam gave, and gave me more:
>> A private road to Paradise which, serpentine,
>> I took, exploring this gap, this fissure
>> For my fingers, for the aficionado
>> I am of you: your skin, your yawn, your laugh...
>>
>> [Apologies if transmission misses up the lineation]
>>
>> This seems to me to be a clever and complex portrayal of desire. So, if
>you
>> like it, go buy the book. One of way of moving on is to climb into that
>cab
>> with Oliver.
>>
>> cheers
>> David
>>
>>
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