Wow! I didn't think it was possible but this is even LESS interesting than
all the actual fake personae. How does this person do it? Is there such a
thing as inverted genius? And who is this Ronny she keeps referring to?

More seriously, can somebody please explain why some people think it's 'all
right' to adopt false identities in cyberspace? Why don't people want to
function as themselves? It makes no sense in the 'real world' so why do it
here? And in the context of employment, tax, bills etc it'd be regarded as
fraud or dishonesty wouldn't it? Or perhaps these people have got multiple
passports and bank accounts...

Perhaps, in the context of Roddy's original post, people with hotmail
accounts shouldn't be allowed to join. These fakers always seem to have
them, don't they?

Puzzled of Sheffield

-----Original Message-----
From: sue Massey <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 15 July 2000 11:26
Subject: Re: Robespierre, or what! was: Old thread Re (and re and re)
visited 3 -identity


>Hello,
>
>Ronny wrote.....
>
>(I think its time again for a few voices to be raised against those who are
>abusing this list with false identities.  It's one thing to pretend to be a
>13th century ghost, another to elicit sympathy by pretending to be a
>mentally ill young woman.  Several members now have egg on their face,
>having risen to, or wasted time responding in good faith to rogue postings.
>Surely there must be some way of checking that list members are genuine
>before they sign up?  And surely these people ought to be removed from the
>list without hesitation.  Last time I spoke about this, there were
>suggestions I was double bluffing or being po-faced.  I just want
discussion
>to continue without clowns and bores taking the piss.
>>
>>Roddy)
>
>I reply.........(no, I do not think it is time at all..........)
>
>Not yet back from my Paradise (not a real one, of course, just a place on
>this earth which happens to be pleasant! One has to be careful not to say
>things that might upset and irritate  the strong ongoing sense of realism
>and praxis which is dominating the scene) and yet finally  able to access a
>computer (simply by means of my poor pocket money given to wasted on an
>Internet Cafe, today) here I am again , frankly shocked to find on the list
>such unpleasant  comment involving my persona, (say one of the rare 45
women
>of good faith ready to join this "100-male-members "list) while I am known
>to be away, ABSENT,  and therefore  incapacitated to follow the thread.
>
>Phrases as "abusing the list..." have been cast against the screen, which
>notoriously is made of fragile glass.
>No, I say, it is not at all  time to come up with such a Robespierre-like
>tone of voice, sorry.
>
>I personally do not know who Ronny is, and even if he wrote an extensive
>personal profile for me to read, it could be still completely invented.
>As  far as I am concerned he could be easly be a 13th century ghost and yet
>be allowed to express himself in such an effemeral place as this cyberlist.
>
>I am only acquainted to his persona as it appears on the screen in front of
>my very eyes (say, words written in English, at times mixed to slang,
>conveying some degree of thruth and some degree of narrative). Nor has he
>tried to get in touch with me to make himself known and put in practise his
>compassionate feeling (so spitefully elicited from his hearth by me)
towards
>this "mentally-ill" young woman that now I am supposed to be, possibly
prone
>to suicide.
>
>Such a spokesman should be aware of the fact that the list is likely to be
>composed also by those who do not get so easly offended or personally
>involved, and.yes,  if a joke was being made, the joke itself might have
>been received in different ways, given our postmodern and polymorphic
>present literary world).
>
>
>In the first place, I'd like to stress that I am not a "mentally ill" young
>woman, as described above.
>One is not allowed to draw these conclusions, especially in public.
>
>Was I wrong then ,  following the thread "poetry and madmen",  when I
>thought that mental instability was one of the features common to the
>majority of list members? A good number referred some degree of stress and
>psychic problems. I did not think for one moment you were trying to elicit
>my sympathy, but merely to discuss the phenomenon in relation to poetry.
>
>If you did want to elicit MY sympathy, then, yes, you gave me a hard time
>and  broke my heart. And yet, in spite of all this compassion,  still do
not
>know any of you, do I!
>
>The fast that this subject was being discussed was the only reason why
 see
>"poetry and madmen" )I opened up my hearth too and related about my recent
>gloomy moods (just a normal melancholy).
>I was not expected to be classified as "mentally ill", nor was I trying to
>rise compassion. I do not feel responsible for the
>output of compassion, love, hatred, intolerance, anger, sympathy and
>whatever your human hearts are able to conceive or not towards a written
>text. See tears pured on the pages of David Copperfield or jane Eire.
>
>I was merely posting brief messages that had no other aim than entertain
>myself as in from of a television or  cinema screen.
>Yes, I now  prefer to be and remain mere narrative and I am really
surprised
>that people who so consistely refused and doubted and negated and fooled
my
>real identity are now asking me to be real.
>I am sure a list of this nature is to discuss poetry matters in whatever
>discursive style one chooses .
>
>Anyhow, I find amazing the process whereby a perfect stranger can come up
>and tell you what you can and cannot do, what you are and are not.
>
>As for the "clown"like aspect of some of my posts: you should be at least
>thankful that some humour was introduced in poetryect days of absolute
gloom
>and despair.
>
>To Ronny: kings used to employ "buffoons", and the fool was mostly loved
>when greatest and strongest was his parody on the King's role and figure.
>The tradition of the destabilizing presence of the  jolly (from the Italian
>"giullare", as you well know) was to serve the office of lightness and
>laugh.
>In Bachtin's theory of "laugh" in folk tradition,  a King is suck only if
he
>is able to laugh at himself when reflected in the eye of someone fooling
him
>and his Status.
>
>If one is not able to appreciate to be fooled than one should ask himself
>whether he will ever be able to become a King.
>
>Susannette
>(luckly still on holidays therefore still able to reply: "me ne fotto!")
>
>>From: "Roddy Lumsden" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>To: "Poetryetc" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject: Oldthread Re (and re and re) visited 3 - identity
>>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:17:54 +0100
>>
>>I think its time again for a few voices to be raised against those who are
>>abusing this list with false identities.  It's one thing to pretend to be
a
>>13th century ghost, another to elicit sympathy by pretending to be a
>>mentally ill young woman.  Several members now have egg on their face,
>>having risen to, or wasted time responding in good faith to rogue
postings.
>>  Surely there must be some way of checking that list members are genuine
>>before they sign up?  And surely these people ought to be removed from the
>>list without hesitation.  Last time I spoke about this, there were
>>suggestions I was double bluffing or being po-faced.  I just want
>>discussion to continue without clowns and bores taking the piss.
>>
>>Roddy
>
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