"...........I just want ( discussion to continue without clowns and bores
taking the piss.)
>
>Roddy
A bried addition to my late post "Robespierre, or what!.."
here is a small children rhyme on the subject of "will".
Voglio la mela gialla
voglio la pecorina
voglio le pesce e l'uva:
Non mi senti, mammina!
Voglio, voglio e ri-voglio!
(Nessuno gli risponde,
+ridono le farfalle
sotto le verdi fronde"
Susannette
>From: "sue Massey" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Robespierre, or what! was: Old thread Re (and re and re)
>visited 3 - identity
>Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:25:25 GMT
>
>Hello,
>
>Ronny wrote.....
>
>(I think its time again for a few voices to be raised against those who are
>abusing this list with false identities. It's one thing to pretend to be a
>13th century ghost, another to elicit sympathy by pretending to be a
>mentally ill young woman. Several members now have egg on their face,
>having risen to, or wasted time responding in good faith to rogue postings.
>Surely there must be some way of checking that list members are genuine
>before they sign up? And surely these people ought to be removed from the
>list without hesitation. Last time I spoke about this, there were
>suggestions I was double bluffing or being po-faced. I just want
>discussion
>to continue without clowns and bores taking the piss.
>>
>>Roddy)
>
>I reply.........(no, I do not think it is time at all..........)
>
>Not yet back from my Paradise (not a real one, of course, just a place on
>this earth which happens to be pleasant! One has to be careful not to say
>things that might upset and irritate the strong ongoing sense of realism
>and praxis which is dominating the scene) and yet finally able to access a
>computer (simply by means of my poor pocket money given to wasted on an
>Internet Cafe, today) here I am again , frankly shocked to find on the list
>such unpleasant comment involving my persona, (say one of the rare 45
>women
>of good faith ready to join this "100-male-members "list) while I am known
>to be away, ABSENT, and therefore incapacitated to follow the thread.
>
>Phrases as "abusing the list..." have been cast against the screen, which
>notoriously is made of fragile glass.
>No, I say, it is not at all time to come up with such a Robespierre-like
>tone of voice, sorry.
>
>I personally do not know who Ronny is, and even if he wrote an extensive
>personal profile for me to read, it could be still completely invented.
>As far as I am concerned he could be easly be a 13th century ghost and yet
>be allowed to express himself in such an effemeral place as this cyberlist.
>
>I am only acquainted to his persona as it appears on the screen in front of
>my very eyes (say, words written in English, at times mixed to slang,
>conveying some degree of thruth and some degree of narrative). Nor has he
>tried to get in touch with me to make himself known and put in practise his
>compassionate feeling (so spitefully elicited from his hearth by me)
>towards
>this "mentally-ill" young woman that now I am supposed to be, possibly
>prone
>to suicide.
>
>Such a spokesman should be aware of the fact that the list is likely to be
>composed also by those who do not get so easly offended or personally
>involved, and.yes, if a joke was being made, the joke itself might have
>been received in different ways, given our postmodern and polymorphic
>present literary world).
>
>
>In the first place, I'd like to stress that I am not a "mentally ill" young
>woman, as described above.
>One is not allowed to draw these conclusions, especially in public.
>
>Was I wrong then , following the thread "poetry and madmen", when I
>thought that mental instability was one of the features common to the
>majority of list members? A good number referred some degree of stress and
>psychic problems. I did not think for one moment you were trying to elicit
>my sympathy, but merely to discuss the phenomenon in relation to poetry.
>
>If you did want to elicit MY sympathy, then, yes, you gave me a hard time
>and broke my heart. And yet, in spite of all this compassion, still do
>not
>know any of you, do I!
>
>The fast that this subject was being discussed was the only reason why (
>see
>"poetry and madmen" )I opened up my hearth too and related about my recent
>gloomy moods (just a normal melancholy).
>I was not expected to be classified as "mentally ill", nor was I trying to
>rise compassion. I do not feel responsible for the
>output of compassion, love, hatred, intolerance, anger, sympathy and
>whatever your human hearts are able to conceive or not towards a written
>text. See tears pured on the pages of David Copperfield or jane Eire.
>
>I was merely posting brief messages that had no other aim than entertain
>myself as in from of a television or cinema screen.
>Yes, I now prefer to be and remain mere narrative and I am really
>surprised
>that people who so consistely refused and doubted and negated and fooled
>my
>real identity are now asking me to be real.
>I am sure a list of this nature is to discuss poetry matters in whatever
>discursive style one chooses .
>
>Anyhow, I find amazing the process whereby a perfect stranger can come up
>and tell you what you can and cannot do, what you are and are not.
>
>As for the "clown"like aspect of some of my posts: you should be at least
>thankful that some humour was introduced in poetryect days of absolute
>gloom
>and despair.
>
>To Ronny: kings used to employ "buffoons", and the fool was mostly loved
>when greatest and strongest was his parody on the King's role and figure.
>The tradition of the destabilizing presence of the jolly (from the Italian
>"giullare", as you well know) was to serve the office of lightness and
>laugh.
>In Bachtin's theory of "laugh" in folk tradition, a King is suck only if
>he
>is able to laugh at himself when reflected in the eye of someone fooling
>him
>and his Status.
>
>If one is not able to appreciate to be fooled than one should ask himself
>whether he will ever be able to become a King.
>
>Susannette
>(luckly still on holidays therefore still able to reply: "me ne fotto!")
>
>>From: "Roddy Lumsden" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>To: "Poetryetc" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject: Oldthread Re (and re and re) visited 3 - identity
>>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:17:54 +0100
>>
>>I think its time again for a few voices to be raised against those who are
>>abusing this list with false identities. It's one thing to pretend to be
>>a
>>13th century ghost, another to elicit sympathy by pretending to be a
>>mentally ill young woman. Several members now have egg on their face,
>>having risen to, or wasted time responding in good faith to rogue
>>postings.
>> Surely there must be some way of checking that list members are genuine
>>before they sign up? And surely these people ought to be removed from the
>>list without hesitation. Last time I spoke about this, there were
>>suggestions I was double bluffing or being po-faced. I just want
>>discussion to continue without clowns and bores taking the piss.
>>
>>Roddy
>
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