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Re: RE: film vs film experience

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Damian Peter Sutton <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:59:55 +0100 (BST)

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Michael,

<<This reply IS meant to be onlist, I'll pull my socks up 
asap>>

When I suggested that Souriau's scheme was fifty years old, 
it was only to suggest that it should be treated with 
caution. I'm particularly interested in Bazin's essay on 
Photography, which I think is fantastic, but I continually 
have to remind myself that the media were very different in 
the fifties, and that his ideas need to be treated in this 
light. The same, I think, should be said for Souriau, 
Kracuaer, Pasolini and others. I say caution, but not 
denial or dismissal, since part of my own research is to 
take such theories and see how they can be used to 
understand photography and film since their writing. 

Another good example of this would be Benjamin. I, like 
others, was profoundly affected by his work on art and 
mechanical reproduction (just look at how many articles 
'ape' his title), but my task is to understand how it is 
affected by more recent philosophy. I'm just not sure (from 
the original vagueness of the categories) how Souriau's 
categories can seem so clearly drawn when related to 
current media/film trends which consistently blur the 
boundraies of accepted notions of form, diegesis and 
reception. 

My own view is Deleuze/Bergsonian, in that the object and 
subject are unnaturally separated in critical studies. This 
does not mean that such critical studies are worthless, 
just that they often do not take into account a perception 
in which object and subject have a complex and subtle 
relationship. I do find that structuralist accounts, 
and particular psychoanalysis, take perception and 
memory as a given, or without considering other 
metaphysical or philosophical approaches. Like Souriau's 
and any other theory, Deleuze/Bergson should also be 
treated with caution: There are *many* reasons to be 
careful when dealing with both Deleuze and Bergson. 

>From this point of view then, I'm not sure there could be 
such a thing as a filmic/afilmic relationship, except in 
critical concepts. Were does one draw the line, in popular 
culture now so dominated by media? 

Are Souriau's categories based on a phenomenology of 
negation? Maybe you or others can clarify. It seems to me 
that the categories might be, since in order for one 
category to exist (afilmic reality), it needs to be 
different from another (filmic reality). From a Deleuzean 
point of view this is impossible, since he sees 'difference 
from' as a quality of addition rather than one of 
abstraction. Also, Bergson saw negation as problematic 
because it cause an unnatural separation based on animosity 
and stifles art. Art flows from the positive dialectic. An 
example of this might be avant-garde cinema, which could be 
seen to blur the boundaries between filmic and afilmic 
reality in order to create art. 

I've not experienced Souriau, so it goes to the top of my 
reading list.

Finally, I agree about the misunderstanding of terms, as 
its a point I made a few weeks ago. I will try to be more 
clear.

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Damian Peter Sutton
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