Folks,

Neither Forestry nor Agriculture have clean hands re the environment.  There
are many forestry people, past & present, who have been serious advocates of
environmental protection.  And there have been many agricultural people who
have done the same thing.  For instance, Hugh Hammond Bennett in the first
half of the last century.

There have been folks in every walk of life who have had that same caring
attitude.  And there have been many folks in every walk of life who have
just seen the world we live in as fodder for our own individual selfish
interests.

Ray

----- Original Message -----
From: "Volker Bahn" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: Environmental education and PP, was Re: Fwd: Nowadays we
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> Chris,
>
> I didn't mean to lump anyone with anyone or draw parallels between
foresters
> and agriculturists. I don't know enough about either group and I'm aware
> that the spectrum of opinions on the environment is huge in both groups. I
> only meant to share some tendencies I believe to have perceived in my
limit
> personal experience.
>
> Cheers
>
> Volker
>
>
> >From: "Chris Perley" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: RE: Environmental education and PP, was Re: Fwd: Nowadays we
> >idolizenature
> >Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:23:27 +1200
> >
> >
> >Defending, as I must, we humble foresters (such as Aldo Leopold and
Gifford
> >Pinchot - both increasingly ecocentric with every new gray hair) I would
> >NOT
> >put them in the same camp (as a group) as agriculturists.  Foresters are
> >educated in ecology as the basis for silviculture (true - manipulative),
> >within a paradigm of sustainable yield and multiple objectives (including
> >social and ecological).  Having had the displeasure of doing ag science
at
> >the post grad level, my own experience supports the view that agriculture
> >didn't give a toss about society and the environment (or sustaining
> >anything
> >in particular - long term planning was considered to be 3 years!!!!!) -
> >rather a single objective of maximizing production was all the
agricultural
> >rage.  Generally forestry is both longer-term in its considerations, and
> >broader.
> >
> >Generalisations I know.  I shall hunker down and await the return salvo.
> >
> >Chris Perley
> >
> >Actually, I have just read Wendell Berry's essay from A Continuous
Harmony
> >called In Defense of Literacy - which is a propos to the discussion below
> >of
> >the broad & long term perspectives as compared with those narrower
> >perspectives of men in white coats seeing the world in a petrie dish - or
a
> >spreadsheet.
> >
>
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