Dear Folks, how would you like to be off and on a list for over two years,
and each time that you post a sincere message on a topic, you have a reply
coming back from the same person on the list, 99 times out of 100, in
disagreement. I am not the only one....I wrote a message to Benjamin about
global modeling, and I get a rebuttal from you know who....

But look at this:

Steve:
>As for the longer time series of my data, it is as I have noted before,
>reconstructed data from proxy sources.  It is the data that is used by
>James Hansen in his predicitions of global warming.  Thus, if John's
>criticisms are actually true, that the data has been cooked, it means the
>predicitions form Hansen, et. al. are also wrong.  ROFLMAO!!"

I had no idea that on November 28, 2000, that Steve would actually take the
time and think about what I had pointed out regarding his data set. That
possibly the data was 'proxy' data. That it was actually not possible to
measure irradience outside the atmosphere in 1900. So to save face, he
finally after 2 years of constant sniping and barbs, indicates that well I
may have been correct.

But you know Folks, he has forgotten my little lesson and is now
contradicting himself. It was okay to use proxy data when it proved his
point, but then  when proxy data was not useful for proving his point, then
he does not like it because it is proxy data.

Here is what he said, December 18, 2000:

>Given the lack of actual data and the reliance on considerable amounts of
>proxy data the models that predict out for over 100 years should be taken
>not only with a grain of salt, but a canister.

Way too funny....anyway Folks I could not help myself. Yes way too funny. A
person that only argues for argument sake never convinces anyone. And it was
William James that said that in "Principles of Psychology". "Arguments never
convince anyone". Honest I am not trying to 'goad him' but rather point out
the contradictions in the 'arguments' ....which if I am on this list for two
more years will be identical in style as they were four years previously.....

chao,

john foster