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Re: Renewable Energy

From:

John Foster <[log in to unmask]>

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This list has been established to provide a discussion forum, and information, for" <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:06:06 -0800

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First of all I don't know where you get your knowledge from, Steve. The
assertions yu make like the following:

1.      can I generate electricity from geothermal;

2.      geothermal puts heavy metals into the ecosystem

indicate to me that (a) you are clueless about geothermal and living as you
do in California where geothermal supplies up to 2 % of the state's
electricity, and (b) you do have knowledge about heavy metals. Now I would
like you to demonstrate grounds for claim (2) that geothermal puts heavy
metals into the environment.

Are you drinking something? If not then ....get a glass of Merlot,
preferable Mission Hill....Merlot. If you are really sober, then I want to
see what you are capable of 'under the influence' and don't you love Dean
Martin?

I got it you live near Disney Land?


At 05:13 PM 12/9/00 -0800, Steve wrote:
>--- John Foster <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Well I guess the alternative is putting your hand onto a 'hot plate' or
>> a
>> 'toaster'. Since when does electricity have any heat in it? I heat with
>> wood
>> because (a) it is cheap, (b) because it is free, (c) because it is
>> plentiful, (d) because it is considered waste in the logging slash pile,
>> and
>> (e) I get some exercise in cutting it. All I get from heating with
>> electricity is poorer....
>>
>> As far as wind generators smacking a few birds in the jaw, the fact is
>> that
>> the 500 coal fired electric plants in the US and Canada are not only
>> killing
>> birds but poisoning the earth and water with acidity, and heavy metals
>> leaching from the soil, killing fish and poisoning loons.  And do not
>
>So does geothermal electricity generation.
>
>Also, it isn't just birds getting chopped up.  You have to build lots of
>wing mills.  A windmill farm WILL change the surrounding ecosystem.  The
>question is by how much.  If you impose a load constraint then I think
>given the current technology it is a toss up.
>
>Notice the name, renewables.  It isn't enviro-friendly, enviromentally
>neutral, or eco-system safe, it is renewable.  All this means is that it
>is a source of energy that will not be used up, unlike fossil fuels.  The
>assumption is that renewable ==> eco-friendly, and this may very well not
>be the case at all.
>
>
>> forget
>> all the radiation that is spewed into the air from coal burning as well
>> as
>> lead, cadmium and zinc. That coal is filthy compared to wind power...
>
>Ditto for geothermal.
>
>
>
>> How come you always copy the words that I use. I say linear and use say
>> linear, I say distortion and manipulation and then you say it? Maybe you
>> are
>> engaging finally in the refrain....sing along now....
>
>How about this, you offer a biased picture.
>
>I don't think you have used those exact words.
>
>Yeah, and so do I.  The difference is that I am pretty much up-front with
>the fact that I think the market works pretty well in many cases.
>
>Steve
>
>=====
>"In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in
a 'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come."
>--Jamey Lee West
>
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