It wasn't a sneery post it was an angry post.
Inspired by a inhabitation of 'architecture'.
The conference's own promotional material made great emphasis of
'avant-garde'.
35 quid plus 5? How much is that in roubles?
db
----- Original Message -----
From: Geraldine Monk <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Language/Poetry/Performance Conference
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david.bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sunday, December 10, 2000 05:08
> Subject: Re: Language/Poetry/Performance Conference
>
>
>
> >
> >except that I couldn't really afford the price of a ticket, it's curious
> >sort of avant-garde that charges itself to meet itself.
> >
>
>
> thirty five quid for 2 days plus a fiver for dinner is exceptionally cheap
> for a conference - the Bristol Romantics one the other year was £250
> even if you were a speaker. I don't think by the way that the 'avant-
> garde' was charging itself to meet itself: presumably De Montfort
> charges for its amenities, reasonably in both senses.
>
> I'm incredibly tired but didn't notice that David K gave prominence
> to the term 'avant-garde' in his post. I didn't get to all the events but
> in fact don't remember that hoary old useless term coming into play
> - why should it, people were just talking about & doing what they
> do - there was a general acceptance of that, things went on from
> there. A refreshing absence of 'them & us' attitudes. Despite
> obvious differences, likes & dislikes. Coming home to read a
> sneery post by one who didn't attend is a mite depressing.
>
> Alan Halsey (using themonk's email temporarily)
>
> >I never knew the conference organiser nor his studious school existed
till
> I
> >saw the flyers for the conference, that's what I call 'reaching out to
the
> >community'.
> >
> >david bircumshaw
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: kent johnson <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 3:32 PM
> >Subject: Re: Language/Poetry/Performance Conference
> >
> >
> >> Peter Riley asked, responding to David Kennedy:
> >>
> >> >b) "Forward" is exclusively conceived within the parameters set by the
> >> >European artistic avant-garde of circa 1914. Can you think of
anything
> >> >discussed or presented at the conference which sought any other sense
of
> >> >direction?
> >> >
> >>
> >> And David Kennedy had said:
> >>
> >> "Steve Mac Caffrey and Karen Mac Cormack both described how they are
> >> increasingly turning to architectural theory for ways to push their
work
> >> forward. This topic seemed to provoke the liveliest set of questions
and
> >was
> >> referred back to by other speakers on several occasions."
> >>
> >> The "architectural-theory" direction is very interesting. I may be
> jumping
> >> to conclusions, but little doubt, I'd bet, that this "new turn" is
> >> consistent with the "avant-garde's" inherited and generalized desire to
> >> build futuristic poetry skyscrapers that will last until the asteroid
> >hits.
> >>
> >> To this, the Russians (since we've been talking aobut them) have a sort
> of
> >> riposte that is little-known in the West, and it would be an example of
> >the
> >> "another sense of direction" Peter asks for: The Paper Architecture
> >school,
> >> which arose in the 1980's and produced (sometimes three-dimensional)
> >visual
> >> text-works unlike anything ever seen. There was some important
> >> cross-fetilization between this group and Moscow poetry Conceptualism.
> >>
> >> But the after-wash of Language is much more ambitious: The neo-liberal
> >drive
> >> is to make World Trade Center Towers in college towns; building nomadic
> >> cities of huts is for losers.
> >>
> >> Kent
> >>
>
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