thanks lawrence

i'm a bit jaded-tired at the moment but would concur along the lines of
current circumstances dicate that 'writers books' have a limited
availability.

cheers

david

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Upton" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "david bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>; "brit poets"
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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: ideodoxy is that schools of thought?


> Your points are well made, David. But they are all points against an
aside.
> And the aside was made out of some frustration. But, yes, you are right.
The
> analogies do not hold. Thank you for pointing that out to me. That was
> useful, whereas, I think I must say, just repeating the assertion Steve
> made, that writers books aim at restricted access, was not
>
> L
>
> The main point stands
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "brit poets" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 18 April 2000 22:48
> Subject: re: ideodoxy is that schools of thought?
>
>
> | lawrence upton addresses steve duffy:
> |
> | " [Do you reject homemade food? More fool you if so. When the fishvan
from
> | Hastings comes tomorrow I'll be in the queue. But the meal I shall make
> | would not easily be mass produced and those who live further south will
> not
> | be able to get to the van. Is my meal elitist? A few days ago I walked
> from
> | St Ives Harbour to Zennor Church across country. It was peaceful. It
> | wouldn't be peaceful if lot of people made the walk at the same time.
Does
> | that make the walk elitist.]
> |
> | It may well be the dream of the big media corporations that anything not
> | mass produced be outlawed; but it is surprising to see such an idea
> | incipient upon this list.
> |
> | Mass production and mass distribution are very limited processes. They
> | exclude a great deal.
> |
> | You speak of "an artform which seems to be "privilege" itself"; but it
> | doesn't privilege itself. Perhaps it does to you, but you *seem to be
> | assuming that mass production is good. You are, as I said in what you
> | purport to be answering, privileging mass production."
> |
> | Well, I'm suspicious of MassPro but also of the disdain for it.
Lawrence's
> | analogies are
> | a bit beside the point: his walk was, I presume, intended for an
audience
> of
> | one:
> | i.e. Lawrence, and his meal, whether shared or not, was not, I guess,
> aiming
> | to
> | feed the five thousand.
> | I sit here on my mass-produced chair writing on a mass-produced PC with
> the
> | aid of mass-produced
> | software a posting to the decidedly not mass-produced brit-poets list
> while
> | a mass-produced
> | CD plays a recording of Andras Schiff playing the Goldberg Variations
that
> | is to say a supposedly
> | 'high-culture' elitist icon. The TV has just been showing Barcelona
versus
> | Chelsea in the mass-culture
> | apotheosis sport of football featuring players whose transfer values
could
> | outdo many an Old Master at Sotheby's.
> | That is to say the situation is complex: we are all involved, as people,
> as
> | poets, to a lesser or greater extent, in the products of mass culture. I
> | assume Lawrence doesn't have his own private manufacturers
> | or suppliers of electricity, vehicular transport, water, housebricks
etc.
> | (well, maybe not the last!)
> |
> | david
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>



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