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I notice, as a coda to this, that Elle had a version of her posting on submissiveness published in the LA Record, that tomb of controversial issues.
Are we still as a profession going to blush every time anybody mentions sex. Are we still going to bury our heads away from nasty little right-wing ideas, rather than realise that accurate and balanced information, something we pride ourselves in, is the key to de-bunking those ideas.
I don't really want to roll Elle and Kent in together, because they have nothing in common as far as I am concerned. The attacks on Elle were shameful, those on Kent perfectly justified. But what this has raised is not only an unwillingness to engage with ideas and information which individuals find uncomfortable, but an active attempt to suppress them, ignore them, pretend they do not exist. Ostriches spring to mind.
The information profession is about more than exchanging videos. We cannot allow ourselves to simply ignore issues which we find uncomfortable, because they wont just go away, you know.
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From: MIME :[log in to unmask] Sent: 18 November 2000 18:42
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Cc: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask];
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Subject: RE: Librarian Besieged and Threatened
It may not be that this Kent, is in favour of statement, but that is not the
point, he is making a point - you then can make your point and thus it is a
discussion. He has put his point and yours, and then the list can decide
which they agree with. If then he doesn't want to accept that and get silly,
its his problem but discussion will have been encouraged.
He holds opinions , right or wrong, which he is entitled to do and in
posting his message on a public discussion list he is standing on a platform
saying "This is what I think," this is really an invitation for people to
come and argue with him ( but it wouldn't be much of a discussion if
everyone agreed from the start).
If he wanted people just to agree with him I think he has bitten off more
than he could chew though eh, but he has got people talking!
I think its also good if its true for Librarians and Info people to be
getting involved, we hold quite a powerful position, rather than just
hiding away not expressing an opinion.
regards
tom
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Moore [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 17 November 2000 16:14
To: Tom Poston
Cc: 'Lis-Link (E-mail)'; 'Noble, Iain'
Subject: Re: Librarian Besieged and Threatened
Dear Tom
While I agree entirely with Voltaire's sentiment, the whole point about
Robert Kent is that he is not at all interested in discussing anything. He
has shown himself to be most reluctant to listen to anyone who takes a
view that runs counter to his. He is not using the list to promote
discussion - he is using it to advance his rather biassed views. And that
is not really what I thought the list was for.
Nick Moore
In message <BB5EEC8335A8D4118DFE00508B5EF6F52D88C7@B
RUNSWICK_NT3>, Tom Poston <[log in to unmask]>
writes
>
> "I may not agree with you say,
> But I defend till death your right to say it"
> (Voltaire)
>
> I agree, with Ian, when I sit at my computer and find hundreds of email
I must
> say I relieved that they are from this list and I can delete them, now
that is
> cathartic. I find it both interesting and disstressing that many
members of the list
> don't want to discuss things, of course their are limits, but I don't
see why
> people can't have a frank exchange of view about things that are going
on in the
> library world. If we don't involve ourselves in these discussions and
cut ourselves
> off from discussion and the flow of ideas we will enhance the image of
us inward
> looking people trying to guard the books from the readers and the
information
> from users.
>
> If people don't like discussing things then why are they on a
discussion list, their
> are many things that come through from the list which are irrelevant to
me but
> of course I either delete them or read them and then delete them . If
its a
> choice between censorship and erroneous emails I select the email
(right before I
> delete them).
>
> Carry on debating
> regards
> Tom
> TOM POSTON
> Researcher
> BRI
> Brunswick Group Ltd
> 16 Lincoln's Inn Fields
> London
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noble, Iain [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 17 November 2000 10:40
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: Librarian Beseiged and Threatened
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I am never quite sure why we always have these debates on what should
or
> should not be posted on the list on a Friday? Perhaps it is some sort
of
> cathartic process after the stresses and strains of the past week, or
maybe
> we are just getting ready for the weekend?
>
> Our last little spat was about library services for submissives if I
recall?
> This one is about the persecution of librarians in Cuba. Since both the
> original postings concerned libraries and this is a library discussion
list
> then it would seem that they have a legitimate place here? Or are we>
debating the content of the messages? A very dangerous path in my
humble
> opinion.
>
> As everyone keeps saying we all have a Delete key and I am sure we are>
sophisticated users of our email software so that we can setup filters
on
> our incoming email. I certainly know where all the 'Video Request ERA>
Licence Held' messages go on my computer! :-)
>
> Iain Noble
>
> University of Teesside Learning Resources Centre,
> Southfield Road,
> Middlesbrough,
> TS1 3BA UK
>
> Email: [log in to unmask]
> Telephone: (44)(0)1642 342121
> Fax: (44)(0)1642 342190
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 17 November 2000 10:25
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Librarian Beseiged and Threatened
>
>
> Actually can I share this with you all - the thing that
> really really annoys the hell out of me - those "out of
> office" replies. They beat spam, junk mail and hoax viruses
> and anything else I've ever had. I turn into a psychotic
> axe murderer after receiving a mailbox full of these
> wretched "non-mails".
> Hmpph.
>
> Marina
>
>
>
>
> > I agree with Marina. I also find these messages a useful
> > counter-balance
> > to information put out (but not on this list) by the Cuba
> > Solidarity
> > Campaign.
> > Malcolm Taggart, Keele
> > > > > Sorry, but don't have any strong feelings about the post
> > > one way or the other. Our servers can cope with it. My
> > > pute can cope with it.
> > >
> > > I get bombarded all day with emails of varying degrees of
> > > size and interest and I can assure all lis-linkers my DEL
> > > key is not sitting idle.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marina
> > >
>
> -----------------------------------
> Marina Bruce
> Deputy Librarian
> St. George's Hospital Medical School
> University of London
>
> [log in to unmask]
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>
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