John
Thanks for that! I think you may have the answer. The double numbering could
work but we'll have to look into it. It would be helpful if someone in
Scotland could give us a definitive list of Scottish monarchs as well as the
regnal numbers for monarchs of Britain.
One way round the problem of other similar names eg, JOHN in England and
JOHN in Scotland, would be to assign surnames.
Thus we'd get JOHN PLANTAGENET and JOHN BALLIOL but personally, I can't
stand that and anyway it still doesn't solve the problem about the Stuarts
Of course the other answer would be to make James VII (Scotland) a
non-preferred term for JAMES II (BRITAIN)..................
On second thoughts maybe not!!
Phil
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From: John Wood [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 08 February 2000 17:16
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Subject: RE: PERIODS - Timeline Thesaurus
Well, I don't want to be a troublemaker but believe it or not such things
are actually important in Scotland. And just to pick up on this one:
"Political Period
If we include the homographs JAMES I (SCOTLAND) and JAMES I (BRITAIN) and
JAMES II (SCOTLAND) and JAMES II (BRITAIN) then there shouldn't be a
problem. From the sources we've looked at Burke's Peerage etc. the Kings of
Scotland stop getting a different numerical identifier after JAMES I and VI.
Therefore JAMES II (BRITAIN) is not also JAMES VII (SCOTLAND) and as such
Martin's point of what ELIZABETH II is in Scotland becomes irrelevant.
Having said that I'm sure someone out there is going to tell me different."
I'm afraid that many Scots don't accept this. Whatever Burke's Peerage may
say, James II of England is James VII of Scotland. I know he is the second
James to rule the whole of Britain but that doesn't help much.
Actually the most sensitive ones are the Stuarts. James I of England is
always referred to here as James VI, and for that matter James II of England
is James VII. I think this is because we had so many medieval Jameses and
to start re-using their numbers is confusing. Actually I don't hear many
people insisting on Edward VII, VIII and William IV being given their
Scottish numbers. The Georges and Victoria aren't a problem anyway.
Nevertheless this is likely to become an increasingly sensitive issue in the
future.
One way round this might perhaps be to give them both numbers, e.g. James
VI/I, where different - at least for the Stuarts anyway.
John Wood
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