>.  Many important points in fact, and
>ones which Chris Perley is attempting to support by giving real-world
>examples from his own experience of dealing with hyper-preservationists in
>New Zealand.  


Now Jim, be truthful,  did Chris Perley use this term
'hyper-preservationist' or are you creating another derogatory slang term
for human beings you do not like, have an aversion for? 

We all know how careful you are in presenting facts about the bad people and
groups in the world (ENGOs), so it goes without saying that you are going to
dredge something up about a group of people who you detest, each and every
day if possible. So now you are complaining because someone does not agree
entirely with you. You become 'angry' and resort to slanging a group of
people that care about something besides their own pocket books. 

>Have you in fact read Stephen Budiansky's book *Nature's Keepers: The New
>Science of Nature Management*?

Nature does not need to be managed. Unless of course you are on a continent
with 300 million people, and 90 % of them drive cars, ATVs, boats, etc., and
lust after everything that is advertised on TV, in magazines, etc. 

Preservationist is a derogatory term that has been used for many years. Back
in the early eighties the timber industry was slanging that term around
along with 'tree huggers', 'anarchists' and 'Sierra clubbers' and today we
still only have about 6 % of the forest protected. 

The term 'preservationist' is still used only by the most insensitive
foresters here. I should know because I am subscribed to the Association of
British Columbia Professional Foresters email news list. There is always one
person in the timber industry that is bewailing all the environmentalists,
expressing as much hatred as possible, and just sounding off. 

Funny thing is this. All the parks and protected areas in the province where
created through consensus and loggers were the main supporters of these
parks. Only a few were created without agreement by loggers. Every community
near here has asked for more protected areas nearby. The largest logging
contractor for the worlds largest timber company here complained
vociferously about any logging in his community. The entire village
population opposed any logging near the community. Another example is up at
Mahood Lake. There all the owners organized and stopped logging along the
lakeshore which is about 22 kilometers long. 

Nice try there Jim bob. Slanging us 'hyper-preservationist' tree huggers
will get you angry not me angry. 

Fortunately the majority of persons are not likely to resort to slanging.
Only about 1% of the population consitutes the timber totter crowd that
likes to slang itself into anger. Name calling and slang matches get one
nowhere. Most people want more parks and wilderness, but the not the
capitalists who own the sawmills. They are too busy worry about their vast
amounts of capital to be concerned about anything else. 


john foster  



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