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Stagmatics=Pragmatics

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shabs du wah <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:07:31 -0700

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Jim wrangles back into sobriety after the weekend and 'puts up is dukes' in
another 'sucker punch' which is meant 'intimidate' his 'opponents'. 

I see no connection at all between 'intrinsic value' and 'telekinesis' and I
am sure that no one else does on this list. As if the Forest Service
Employee is valuing intrinsically Venus (poetically Venus is a goddess, a
beautiful woman. Of course a young forest service employee can have his or
her fantasies. Ed Abbey did in 1973 when he was working in his novel "Black
Sun" ....did he mean it?)

If the FS employee was really interested in placing his wad in the planet
Venus, he was crazy. But being on the fire line for twenty days, I doubt if
he was thinking of anything else but sacred sex. 

This appears to me to underly the 'insobriety' of Jims' disbelief in
anything other than the senses. Pragmatism stagmatism (stagmatics). If Jim
has too sucker punch his way all the time into making a conclusion by 'false
analogisms', then my task is to expose them for they are 'sucker punches', a
little faking to the right and left. 

Even the greatest philosophers and thinkers of the last 25 centuries believe
in 'intrinsic' value. Did not anyone read my messages on 'autopoeisis and
oxaresis' by Aristotle.

"Poetry is belief." Gabriel Marcel

Seems like Jim might agree on this....and Chris Lees.  

It is easiest to 'sucker punch' those who can be intimidated by a speck of
'erudition' (albeit heavily cut & pasted), than it is too really meet in the
'agora' of the rag-and-bone shop of the heart. 

Simply pushing aside the 'other's viewpoints' and becoming involved in an
infinite deferral of the content of the topics under discussion are not
conducive to any progress in solving anything. Aristotle points the same out
in the Metaphysics. 

He says that if a slanging match results in someone breaking a leg, then it
is an accident, the leg being broke, but it is no accident that people
cannot agree on things like 'terms of reference' and 'process'. Content
questions are different and obviously cannot be solved unless there is
agreement at the highest level of 'principled negotiations', ie. terms of
reference, process, etc. 

chao,

shabby

Chris Lees appears sincere, contemplative and very serious as well as
focused. He takes a constructive approach. Jim seems to be playing at some
serious game in which he appears to be waiting diligently for when he can
become serious. The sucker punches...are not a good strategy....for him...

"Too many tautalogies need a good roll in the hay." shabs du wah

"A little tipsy on salvations' bottle" Alan Watts



"In Arizona I remember soft fluffy clouds catching colors reflected
everywhere. Long narrow clouds trailing off into the horizons."



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