Ray,
>Steve,
>
>As usual, you just miss the point completely. May I suggest that you read
>*very carefully*, then *think* before you make comments such as below.
I'm sorry to say then that I must have missed your point just as
completely. I think I read your post the same way Steve has read it--for
example, when you wrote:
>some of those with great intellectual and
>physical energy have been unable to confront, to deal with, the
>psychological - spiritual - barreness of the purely material goals that our
>USian society has been imposing on ourselves and on the non-western world.
>Vince Scott represents that value set,
as if Vince Scott deserved what happened to him.
I'll admit that my first reaction to this paragraph in particular was
embarrassment (a bit of shame even) to be reading this on this list.
Perhaps it would help if you took the time to clarify what you were/are
saying.
Jim
>Ray
>--------------
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 6:34 PM
>Subject: Re: ELF, ALF, EarthFirst! and terrorism
>
>
>> Well I guess I am not that surprised that nobody seems to want to analyze
>> the ethics of ELF or ALF. They terrorized a family, in much the same way
>> a home invasion would terrorize a neighborhood. So far the responses have
>> skirted this issue. Guess what Ray, your dwelling (just as John Foster's)
>> damages the environment. Was your house *always* there? Is it part of
>> the natural environment? Do you have electricity, running water, cable
>> television. Think of all that damage. I think the word we are looking
>> for here is hypocirsy.
>>
>> Frankly the responses have been pretty much of a singular nature.
>> Pathetic. Sure Vince Scott and his family may have not considered the
>> environmental impact of their dream home (or maybe they did, the article
>> does point out the mainstream environmentalist had little worries about
>> the development), but does that justify burning it down and scaring his
>> children? And that cryptic threat at the end of the story indicates that
>> these guys are nothing but thugs.
>>
>> > ...we are compelled to come back to the question of
>> > just
>> > what are the characteristics of an ethical, a moral, person.
>>
>> Well I guess a moral and ethical person can burn down another's house.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> =====
>> "In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in
>a
>> 'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come."
>> --Jamey Lee West
>>
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