Lisa D. wrote :
>Yes I do mean conscienceness, it was rather late last night..
>I think it was a fun thought. But on the more serious side what if we
>could prove conscienceness by some mathematical theory like their
>theory on fractal claims "cycles in nature have pattern. " Well if you could
>consider energy as a cycle. Conscience maybe considered energy which
>in turn could be in turn considered a cycle which theoritically, could be
>proven
>by fractals... For example what if brain waves could prove to have "fractal
>pattern"
>what does this say for conscience... :)
>
>Have a good one....
>Li-
I don't know, Lisa. There are hudreds of theories about consciousness.
I quite like Roger Penrose's idea that microtubules in the neurons act
as quantum devices, so the brain is a quantum 'machine', which kinda
means that every time we become aware, we are actually collapsing the
quantum wave function and thus we create our reality.
I find it interesting that the enigmas of quantum physics, -Schroedinger's
Cat, etc,- which mean that all Classical Newtonian physics is fundamentally
'wrong', have been dealt with over the previous century by saying, 'yeah, well
quantum stuff only applies to the very small subatomic stuff, classical
physics is still fine for all the rest'. That attitude seems to lose
credibility
now, because apparently buckyballs, very large carbon molecules, can
exhibit quantum effects, non-locality, i.e. they can be in several
places at the
same time, kinda thing - and they are the same size as DNA molecules, so
maybe quantum effects operate much higher up the macroscopic scale than
previously thought. I suspect quantum effects operate throughout . Once you
begin to think in those terms, then the old fashioned mechanistic physical
view of reality evaporates, and the universe is a whole lot weirder
than anybody
had ever imagined.
If you wanted me to lay down my money on whose getting closest to the 'truth'
(what a nice warm old fashioned word that is ;->) I'd bet on Jack
Sarfatti. He's
very cool, IMO :-)
Here's some URLs for anyone interested
http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/index.html
http://www.stardrive.org/fred.shtml
http://www.uppersonoran.com/MIND.HTM
http://www.renresearch.com/consciousness.html
http://www.swcp.com/~hswift/swc/
http://earthport2.simplenet.com/COSM.HTM
C.L.
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