--- John Foster <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >All I see so far is conjecture and speculation and assumption.
>
> I am not sure what you mean by conjecture.

John not all garments are made of Canadian Lynx.  I thought I made that
clear.  While your example is very informative it is not and should not be
held up as the typical example, at least not without more support.



> >1.  Not all high fashion garments are made of Canadian Lynx.
>
> Brilliant. Now if I had discussed vicuna wool sweaters and jackets, then
> there would be different inputs, vastly more ecologically impacting, but
> Vicuna is sustainable. Vicuna is a cameloid species that lives only in
> Peru,
> Bolivia and Chile. It was nearly extinct because of it's hair which is
> the
> softest in the world. One Vicuna only produces a small amout of hair
> each
> year and this wool is gathered by hand by combing. It is a protected
> species
> now and lives only in parks where there are paid guards hired to watch
> them
> so as to prevent poachers from killin them and stealin thier valuable
> hair
> which is worth as much as $1000 per pound.
>
> >2.  There has been no empirical analysis of the total amount of
> resources
> >that goes into the production of the two types of garments.  Some goods
> >require more inputs than others.  Which uses more electricity, a
> styrofoam
> >cup or a paper cup?
>
> Actually the University of Manitoba did a study on paper, stryofoam and
> glass cups in an attempt to determine how much energy goes into each.
> The
> finding was that glass coffee cups if washed soon after they are used,
> will
> have the lowest energy useage. I should see if I can rustle up a copy or
> email the department for confirmation of the results.

I am not surprised given that a coffee cup made of glass can last for
years and is reusable.  The result is highly intuitive.  I suppose alot of
improvements can be made by having coffee drinkers switch to coffee cups
that they can keep and have similar levels of durability.

Steve



> The most energy efficient method of using and storing beverages is
> actually
> with the thermos if the beverage is warm or hot. The greatest amount of
> energy used is actually in the heating of the water for the beverage and
> most urns actually heat up more air than water. So having a small
> personal
> stainless steel thermos is the best. I have two: one is a small one used
> for
> backcountry skiing and taking with me on my surveys in the forest. The
> other
> is a large one and it is used in the home. I only have to fill it once
> in
> the morning. Dishwashers are the biggest single wasteful consumer of
> energy
> there is. Simply do not use them except to wash the potatoes from your
> garden, or when there are lots of dishes to wasy.
>
> Check out the Pembina Institute which is located at www.pembina.org
>
> They have info on this
>
> john foster
>
>
>
> >


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"In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in a 'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come."
--Jamey Lee West

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