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Subject:

Re: Solow and "the wretched of the Earth"

From:

Steve <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussion forum for environmental ethics.

Date:

Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:05:25 -0800

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--- John Foster <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Steve writes:
> >I do know that with the Baby Boomers getting ready to retire, perhaps
> >having an influx of immigrants is just what we need to help pay for the
> >rather large Social Security and Medicare bill that will come with
> their
> >retirement.
>
> I wonder if this statement is correct? Essentially the seniors in our
> country built the infrastructure & institutions that we have today. More
> importantly they are our parents and grandparents that fought in the
> world
> wars, etc., and in our country the seniors have the majority of the
> material
> wealth, not to fail to mention wisdom. In fact the group that owns the
> majority of material assets in Canada are women. Now that may appear on

WTFAYTA John?  The baby boomers fought no world wars, that was the
generation prior to the baby boomers.  Also the baby boomers for the most
part are NOT senior citizens, but are in their 40's and 50's.

Also I don't see what this has to do with Social Security or Medicar.


> the
> surface as counter-intuitive, but it is not. The reason that women in
> Canada
> own the majority of material wealth is quite simple. Women on average
> live
> approximately 6-7 years longer than men. When a rich husband passes away
> the
> wife usually inherits the entire assets of the husband. So in Canada the
> oldest sector of the population, which happen to be women, primarily end
> up
> with the bulk of the material assets of the family.
>
> Therefore based on this simple and undeniable fact, the oldest persons

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?  When did Canada become the U.S.?  Not only this
what does this have to do the fact that when the boomers retire they will
be getting lots of Social Security and Medicare.  These programs are not
means tested (i.e. if you are rich you still collect and benefit from
these programs).


> in
> our country, more importantly women, are the richest. Now the issue that
> Steve raises is an entirely different issue concerning who should be
> paying
> and caring for the elderly. The issue is not a problem if the wealthiest

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?  No, the issue I raised was about the transfer
payments in the U.S. as a result of Social Security and Medicare.


[big snip]

> What I cannot understand is the term 'we' and who are the 'we' that we
> are
> referring to in Steve's missive? Is the  'we' this list? The 'we' under

Simply amazing.  The 'we' are those who pay for the current ricipients of
Social Security, i.e. those who work.


> 45
> years of age? If the 'we' does not include the wealthiest of the
> population,
> ie. women over 65 years, then who is the 'we'? Perhaps Eugene Zamiatin

If the women are not working and earning a wage then it does not include
these women.  The U.S. payroll taxes of Social Security and Medicare are
just that payroll taxes.  If you don't get a paycheck you don't pay Social
Security or Medicare taxes.

> has
> the answer in his novel "We".

Novel?  What novel?  Is it good and who wrote it?


[more stuff snipped]

Steve

=====
"In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in a 'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come."
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