--- John Foster <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Steve writes:
> >No, I was referring to solar, wind, and geothermal. Also you cannot
> >supply all of the U.S. energy needs with just hydro. Moreover, I am
> not
> >sure anybody would want to since it would require builidn lots of dams
> >where we currently don't have them.
>
> Soon it will be proved that not even five planets the size of earth can
> satisfy U. S. energy needs. As it is the U.S. already consumes 25 % of
> the
> worlds energy, and they only have 5 % of the worlds population. So in
> fact
> if everyone raised their standard of living to the U.S. level we would
> need
> about 5 planets....
Ooooh, I just love these calculations. I wish I had some numbers on say
England back in 1850. I wonder if the claculation would indicate an
increase in the number of planets if we extened England'd energy
consumption to include places like America.
>
> >> renewable energy was not the cheapest. Secondly you have forgotten
> >> biomass,
> >
> >Lets see, is this going to help with the problem of CO2? You aren't
> >suggesting we burn trees are you? I thought you just got done yelling
> at
> >Chris Perley for this.
>
> Yep. Darn right I did. He was advocating the cutting down of primary
> forests
> and replacing them with Eucalyptus grandis or something...We cannot
> afford
> to cut down forests that are primary forests and replace them with
> plantations any longer. There are lots of plantations of Eucalyptus
> which
> are not even native in India that are causing water shortages, and in
> Peru
> the Eucalyptus are robbing pasture lands near villages which could be
> used
> for raising animals. They are cutting those plantations down and
> replacing
> them with open canopy indigenous forests that do not deplete groundwater
> supplies....
>
> >> cogeneration, and geothermal energy sources....these are also cheaper
> >> than
> >> existing fossil fuel energies....
> >
> >LOL. Only in the current market where generators have market power.
>
> Another manipulation of reality. Oil useage costs a lot more than what
> the
> consumer pays. For instance the US has to maintain a vast military to
> police
> countries with oil that get out of line and threaten US supplies. At one
> time the US was self-sufficient in energy. That was a long time ago.
> Now it
> has to be prepared to use military solutions where this nation percieves
> an
> issue regarding it's security of supply.
Hmmm, so even if we tacked on what? A fifth of the U.S. Defense budget
would oil be more expensive than the cost of relying on solar power, or
wind, or dams? You never include the costs of building huge parks of
windmills, or solar panels. You never want to look at the environmental
impact or replacing a single gas fired generator with enough solar panels
to generate the same load. What is the cost when a windmill chops up a
bird?
Steve
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"In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in a 'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come."
--Jamey Lee West
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