Steve writes:
>In the LA area there are about 500,000 customers that qualify for
>discounts due to low income. You want their bills to double too, and just
>say, "Oh well, try switching to renewables." Of course renewables wont
>decrease their bill by much.
This is the type of goofy response that I would expect from someone who is
against renewable energy as a metaphysical reality. A person who cannot
accept a scientific fact is a person who believes in a metaphysical reality
which in turn has been manipulated to distort the facts.....that is, Con. Ed
cannot do any wrong.....it is 'immaculate'...the bearer of truth itself. It
hates renewables because it is can make a lot more money with finite energy
sources like gas, oil and coal or nuclear....
Now that the cost of natural gas, and oil has doubled and quintupled over
the last year, respectively, Steve is calling persons who advocate a carbon
tax 'immoral'. The function of all carbon taxes instituted so far is to
provide funds for development of renewable energies, as well as to provide
revenue neutral forms of incentives for consumers to expend less money on
non-renewable energy which pollutes. Carbon taxes are meant to alter
consumption habits by instituting a shadow price or pigouvian tax against
industries which pollute because the general market cannot discount the
future costs of polluting industries which rely on finite natural gas, oil
and coal.....
The carbon taxes on the whole are revenue neutral, that is, they merely
shift the taxation burden from renewable energies, energy efficient
technologies, to energy and technologies which are polluting and non-renewable.
Steve manipulates reality by engaging in a contradictory form of negative
dialectic, and doing so he finds his position undermined by the contradictions.
Yes he says, high energy costs will hurt the consumer, most notably the
poor. Yet the only salvation for high energy costs on the horizon is
renewable energy, and energy efficiencies, which he insists are more costly
than coal, natural gas and oil.....In BC we have about 99% renewable
electrical capacity in the form of Hydro, which is very cheap [about $65 per
1000 kwh]....In Denmark the cost of generating wind electricity is less than
the cost of electricity in California, which again blows Steves feeble and
woobly arguement.
At 09:44 AM 12/8/00 -0800, Steve wrote:
>--- Michael Meuser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> We could hurry this transition along a bit by adding a stiff
>> surcharge to oil based products and use this money to develop the
>> technologies and market for alternatives. The market would work
>
>Now lets return to the real world. In San Diego this last summer
>customers were paying the prices charged in the California Power Exchange
>for electricity. The price was approximately $0.12 per kWh (and this does
>not count the charges for transmission and distribution services, and
>other pass through charges mandated by the states PUC--these would amount
>to about another $0.06 to $0.07 cents). The outcry from San Diego was
>deafening. Customers will not stand for these kinds of prices.
>
>
>> its wonders. Well, maybe not. For decades oil companies,
>> automakers et al have resisted any sort of taxation of their
>> products saying that the consumer would not stand for it and the it
>> would be a hardship for the consumer. Of course the oil
>
>When a customers electric bill doubles, triples, and in some cases
>quadruples you bet it is a hardship. Imagine you have a $75 bill one
>month and then surprise you get a bill for $180 the next.
>
>In the LA area there are about 500,000 customers that qualify for
>discounts due to low income. You want their bills to double too, and just
>say, "Oh well, try switching to renewables." Of course renewables wont
>decrease their bill by much.
>
>
>> companies themselves have no problem imposing this hardship as
>> long as the subsidy ends up in their pockets and, guess what,
>
>What subsidy?
>
>Steve
>
>=====
>"In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in
a 'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come."
>--Jamey Lee West
>
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