I don't care where you got the data from. What I care about is how it is
interpreted in making errroneous conclusions that are used to mollify
subscribers to Steve Molloy's 'trash talk' and this list. First of all you
reported that the total solar irradiance data commenced from 1900, but the
most reliable data regarding total solar irradiance actually begins in 1979
when the first satellites were equiped with pyrheliometers. Since this date,
Nov. 1979, total solar irradiance has fallen [W/m^2] - with a slight
increasing trend after the mid 80's  until about 1996. So the net effect,
ceteris paribus, should be a decline in surface temperatures.

not in my hammack yet,

chao,

john foster


At 09:58 AM 11/28/00 -0800, Steve wrote:
>John,
>
>You idiot I got the data from Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS).
>Which is where James Hanson works.  Hell, he is probably the top scientist
>there and if anybody is cooking the data he is.  So shut up about this
>paid lobbiest crap.
>
>This is where I got the data from
>
>http://www.giss.nasa.gov/data/si99/solar.irradiance/
>
>From the GISS site
>
>"The climate forcings defined here are those employed in climate
>simulations of the period 1951-99 with the GISS SI99 global climate model,
>as described in a paper ("Forcings and chaos in interannual to centennial
>climate change") in preparation. The paper is a sequel to and analogous to
>an earlier paper (Hansen et al., 1997) describing simulations of the
>period 1979-96 with the SI95 climate model."
>
>In other words John, I am using some of the same data used by Hansen et.
>al. in a published, peer reviewed journal.  Why you aren't suggesting
>Hansen is a liar are you?
>
>Go ahead and download it and graph it, if it looks any different than my
>solar irradience graph then you might have something.  Until then you are
>just a fool.
>
>Also it would help if you at least posted a link that worked.
>
>Sheesh.
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>--- John Foster <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Steve's total irradiance  data set is erroneous. The statellite  data
>> from
>> NASA indicates a decline in irradiance since measurements began outside
>> the
>> atmosphere, with a slight increase but largely there is a decline since
>> Nov.t 1978 when sats first started taking data on irradiance. To verify
>> for
>> yourselves please go to this website:
>>
>>
>http://xtreme.gsfc.nasa.gov/CAMPAIGN_DOCS/FTP_SITE/INT_DIS/readmes/sol_irrad
>> .html#201
>>
>> Steve is taking 'cooked' or skewed data that does not represent what has
>> actually been meaured, probably from Doctor Steve Molloys 'paid
>> lobbiest'
>> website for 'debunking good science'.
>>
>>
>>
>> Data Set Overview
>>
>> Total solar irradiances are presented for the period November 16, 1978
>> through December 1997. The measurement program is continuing and
>> additional
>> years will be added as they become available. This irradiance provides
>> the
>> energy that powers the Earth's climate and biosphere. It had long been
>> suspected that the solar energy emitted towards the Earth varied with
>> time
>> but this was not definitely demonstrated until accurate,
>> self-calibrating
>> pyrheliometers flown on satellites began to regularly monitor the Sun
>> (Hickey et al., 1980). The measured solar variations are of the order of
>> fractions of a percent and atmospheric transmission problems had
>> previously
>> limited the accuracy of ground based measurements (Willson, 1984). Data
>> from
>> four experiments are included here: The Nimbus-7 Earth Radiation Budget
>> (ERB) measurements (November 1978--December 1993), the Active Cavity
>> Radiometer Irradiance Monitor I (ACRIM I) measurements (February
>> 1980--July
>> 1989) on the Solar Maximum Mission (SMM), the solar monitor measurements
>> (October 1984--June 1996) on the Earth Radiation Budget Satellite
>> (ERBS),
>> and the ACRIM II measurements (October 1991--December 1996) on the Upper
>> Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS). In May 1997 the preliminary ACRIM
>> II
>> data set (1991-1993) was replaced by the final version which now runs
>> through December 1997. Both daily and monthly mean values are given. For
>> ease of comparison all the measurements are converted to the value that
>> would be obtained at the mean annual Earth to Sun distance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Characteristics
>>
>> Parameters: Total solar irradiance
>> Units: Watts/m^2
>> Range:
>> ACRIM I 1364.48 to 1369.71
>> ACRIM II 1363.75 to 1367.14
>> ERB 1368.50 to 1374.80
>> ERBS 1363.10 to 1367.60
>>
>> Temporal Coverage:
>> ACRIM I February 16, 1980 through July 14, 1989
>> ACRIM II October 4, 1991 through December 31, 1997
>> ERB November 16, 1978 through December 13, 1993
>> ERBS October 25, 1984 through June 19. 1996
>> Temporal Resolution: Records are available in both daily and monthly
>> temporal resolution.
>>
>> Spatial Coverage: This is satellite orbital data
>
>
>=====
>"In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in
a 'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come."
>--Jamey Lee West
>
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