--- Adam Gottschalk <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> on 10/15/00 03:37, spiritwear at [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> >> "(animals/sharks) can't think or know about right and wrong..." I
> would be
> >> supremely amazed if you could show me a shred of evidence to this
> affect.
> >
> > isn't there some scientific maxim that states that it's impossible to
> > prove/evidence that something doesn't exist? i believe, adam, that
> the
> > burden of proof/evidence lies with you (if you so choose to accept
> it)...
>
> Someone else threw this at me and I have never heard of such a maxim in
> all
> my studies of science.
Must resist...must not flame.......
Well Adam there are now two people pointing this out to you. Maybe it is
time to do a little research on this.
> You say animals do NOT know right from wrong.
> I say yes they do. Prove that they don't.
> You say it's logically impossible to do so.
>
> I say that's putting your foot in your collective mouth. You, according
How about this, stop being an ass. You are clearly not as well read as
you claim. Sheesh.
> to
> you, cannot prove that animals do not know right from wrong. So, what,
> do
> you all walk around believing deeply that such is the case even though
> you
> have no way of proving it? How very unscientific.
It is clear there is not getting through to you. You sound like somebody
who has made up there mind and when somebody confronts you with your own
foolishness you get petulent.
> I think of all the very scientific evidence as to sentience and
> intelligence
> in non-human animals; I think of all my varied experiences with animals
Sheesh, I am so tempted to get out my flame thrower here.
Why don't you share this evidecne, that is what two people, myself and
spiritwear, have asked. So get off your high horse, get your thumb out of
your rump and post something interesting.
> over
> the years, most good, some bad, and consider that "anecdotal" evidence.
> Such
> things have led me to see animals' self-awareness and moral lives as
> self-evident. If I wanted to prove it, I'd be "proving a positive." So
> (even
> though I still know of no such maxim), you are the ones who are in an
> impossible situation, unable ever to prove something you blindly assume.
>
> (more)
>
> >> as they feel
> >> pain and cherish love and affection, as they know what's right for
> them to
> >> eat
> >
> > none of which points towards morality... the "cherish" part is
> > anthropomorphizing, imo... the choice of food is probably
> instinctual
> > only (exempting pets)....
> >
>
> This is my point. You tell me I'm anthropomorphizing because you
> believe,
> for reasons you assert you cannot prove, that animals are not able to
Ahh I give up, reading anymore will give me a headache.
Steve
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