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Re: Introduction of new member

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Bruce Olson <[log in to unmask]>

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News and discussion relevant to the study of popular / folk / traditional b <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:40:22 -0500

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dave wrote:
>
> Hello all.
> Just a basic introduction: i am dave preston and am assisting with a
> Project regarding the use of Ballads, Folksongs, Music Hall Songs,
> Childrens Games/Rhymes etc as used, or alluded to in James Joyce's
> 'Finnegans Wake.'
> As you can appreciate i have difficulty in finding texts and
> background information to many of the Ballads etc used, or mentioned.
> For instance, at present i am trying to find information regarding
> "There's Hair Like Wire Coming out of the Empire" and "O Katharina." I
> think the former is more liable to be a Music Hall song, and the
> latter a Folksong.
> I hope that i will be able to pick the Group's brains when my own
> resources prove inadequate, and i freely admit that my interest in
> Ballads etc is purely in connection with 'Finnegans Wake.'
> If you feel that my ulterior motive is not acceptable to the Group
> please let me know and i will unsubscribe.
> If anyone could give me any website addresses, or an e-mail Group more
> applicable to my needs i would be very grateful.
> Thank you in advance,
> dave

I don't recognize the any of the return addresses above, and don't know
why I got it, or what group it came from, but I have a few comments that
may get to the right person if I just click to reply.

There is an article, "Irish Folk Songs in Joyce's 'Ulysses'", by
Mabel P. Worthington in PMLA, LXXX, pp. 321-339 (1956). She notes
at the end of the first paragraph in her introduction: "'Ulysses'
and 'Finnegans Wake' are full of references to music and
musicians. A further quote from it is: '"Nothing" Stong[*] says,
"but fatigue can stop the industrious from collecting instances
[refs. to music and musicians] of this sort up and down
'Finnegan's Wake'.'

* L. A. G. Strong, "James Joyce and Vocal Music", in 'Essays and
Studies by Members of the English Association, XXXI, (1945),
collected and edited by V. de S. Pinto (Oxford, 1946).

Worthington identified 43 songs in 'Ulysses', many with
references to page numbers in FW. I can't find where she defined
FW, but since her references to page numbers in 'Ulysses' are
those in the Modern Library edition, I would guess that is the
editon of 'Finnegan's Wake' she refers to (I have no edition at
present).

I would look at her article and references she cites, as well as
search for any by her on 'Finnegans Wake' before I started out on
my own on this kind of project.

Incidently, "Finigan's [sic] Wake" is directed to be sung to the
tune of "The French Musician" and is attributed to John F. Poole
in 'The Blarney Comic Song Book', p. 79, n.d., Glasgow: Cameron
and Ferguson. [Dated copies of a few of this Poole's songs on the Levy
sheet music collection website range from 1862-66.]

Early copies of a few songs and tunes in 'Ulysses' are on my
website in Scarces Songs 1 and its tune file. Worthington
couldn't find reference to "Croppies lie down" but it's listed in
BUCEM, and I've seen words and music elsewhere.

Bruce Olson
--
Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside
ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw
or click below  <A href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

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