Dear anonymous replier (was he David? Hei, you forgot to sign your
letter)....
not always the so called snobbery of the literate (since you are attempting
to resort to it , but only attempting) is successful.
There are areas of the planet where people - real of fake - do not give a
...
matter of fact, unless you give me your home or work address, phone number
and passport photo, - which I am sure you will not be so risk-taking to do
- sorry, my Dear, but I will not be able to detect your real being here and
now Or....whether you might actually be one of the authors of one of the
many fake identities which are presently circulating on cyberspace, (trust
me, there are more than three!) (whether or nor registered on Hotmail).
Moreover, there is a cyber-psycho-problem called cyber schizophrenia. Were
you aware of it?
Set yourself to this new dimension. It is less necessary, if you want
safety.
Anyhow, given the fact that Poetryect is world-wide read, please, for your
future reputation, dismiss this micro-snobbish, cripto-diva, public-school
manners of yours.
Be international, be intercontinental , be inter-something, be whatever you
wish to be, but do not be, do not, please, do not be, do do do not, so
boring and pedantic,
and accept the bare presence of the Unknowns (for Heidegger?s sake!)
Susannina la bella
>From: "David Kennedy" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Robespierre, or what! was: Old thread Re (and re and re)
>visited 3 -identity
>Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:43:20 +0100
>
>Wow! I didn't think it was possible but this is even LESS interesting than
>all the actual fake personae. How does this person do it? Is there such a
>thing as inverted genius? And who is this Ronny she keeps referring to?
>
>More seriously, can somebody please explain why some people think it's 'all
>right' to adopt false identities in cyberspace? Why don't people want to
>function as themselves? It makes no sense in the 'real world' so why do it
>here? And in the context of employment, tax, bills etc it'd be regarded as
>fraud or dishonesty wouldn't it? Or perhaps these people have got multiple
>passports and bank accounts...
>
>Perhaps, in the context of Roddy's original post, people with hotmail
>accounts shouldn't be allowed to join. These fakers always seem to have
>them, don't they?
>
>Puzzled of Sheffield
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sue Massey <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: 15 July 2000 11:26
>Subject: Re: Robespierre, or what! was: Old thread Re (and re and re)
>visited 3 -identity
>
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >Ronny wrote.....
> >
> >(I think its time again for a few voices to be raised against those who
>are
> >abusing this list with false identities. It's one thing to pretend to be
>a
> >13th century ghost, another to elicit sympathy by pretending to be a
> >mentally ill young woman. Several members now have egg on their face,
> >having risen to, or wasted time responding in good faith to rogue
>postings.
> >Surely there must be some way of checking that list members are genuine
> >before they sign up? And surely these people ought to be removed from
>the
> >list without hesitation. Last time I spoke about this, there were
> >suggestions I was double bluffing or being po-faced. I just want
>discussion
> >to continue without clowns and bores taking the piss.
> >>
> >>Roddy)
> >
> >I reply.........(no, I do not think it is time at all..........)
> >
> >Not yet back from my Paradise (not a real one, of course, just a place on
> >this earth which happens to be pleasant! One has to be careful not to say
> >things that might upset and irritate the strong ongoing sense of realism
> >and praxis which is dominating the scene) and yet finally able to access
>a
> >computer (simply by means of my poor pocket money given to wasted on an
> >Internet Cafe, today) here I am again , frankly shocked to find on the
>list
> >such unpleasant comment involving my persona, (say one of the rare 45
>women
> >of good faith ready to join this "100-male-members "list) while I am
>known
> >to be away, ABSENT, and therefore incapacitated to follow the thread.
> >
> >Phrases as "abusing the list..." have been cast against the screen, which
> >notoriously is made of fragile glass.
> >No, I say, it is not at all time to come up with such a Robespierre-like
> >tone of voice, sorry.
> >
> >I personally do not know who Ronny is, and even if he wrote an extensive
> >personal profile for me to read, it could be still completely invented.
> >As far as I am concerned he could be easly be a 13th century ghost and
>yet
> >be allowed to express himself in such an effemeral place as this
>cyberlist.
> >
> >I am only acquainted to his persona as it appears on the screen in front
>of
> >my very eyes (say, words written in English, at times mixed to slang,
> >conveying some degree of thruth and some degree of narrative). Nor has he
> >tried to get in touch with me to make himself known and put in practise
>his
> >compassionate feeling (so spitefully elicited from his hearth by me)
>towards
> >this "mentally-ill" young woman that now I am supposed to be, possibly
>prone
> >to suicide.
> >
> >Such a spokesman should be aware of the fact that the list is likely to
>be
> >composed also by those who do not get so easly offended or personally
> >involved, and.yes, if a joke was being made, the joke itself might have
> >been received in different ways, given our postmodern and polymorphic
> >present literary world).
> >
> >
> >In the first place, I'd like to stress that I am not a "mentally ill"
>young
> >woman, as described above.
> >One is not allowed to draw these conclusions, especially in public.
> >
> >Was I wrong then , following the thread "poetry and madmen", when I
> >thought that mental instability was one of the features common to the
> >majority of list members? A good number referred some degree of stress
>and
> >psychic problems. I did not think for one moment you were trying to
>elicit
> >my sympathy, but merely to discuss the phenomenon in relation to poetry.
> >
> >If you did want to elicit MY sympathy, then, yes, you gave me a hard time
> >and broke my heart. And yet, in spite of all this compassion, still do
>not
> >know any of you, do I!
> >
> >The fast that this subject was being discussed was the only reason why
> see
> >"poetry and madmen" )I opened up my hearth too and related about my
>recent
> >gloomy moods (just a normal melancholy).
> >I was not expected to be classified as "mentally ill", nor was I trying
>to
> >rise compassion. I do not feel responsible for the
> >output of compassion, love, hatred, intolerance, anger, sympathy and
> >whatever your human hearts are able to conceive or not towards a written
> >text. See tears pured on the pages of David Copperfield or jane Eire.
> >
> >I was merely posting brief messages that had no other aim than entertain
> >myself as in from of a television or cinema screen.
> >Yes, I now prefer to be and remain mere narrative and I am really
>surprised
> >that people who so consistely refused and doubted and negated and fooled
>my
> >real identity are now asking me to be real.
> >I am sure a list of this nature is to discuss poetry matters in whatever
> >discursive style one chooses .
> >
> >Anyhow, I find amazing the process whereby a perfect stranger can come up
> >and tell you what you can and cannot do, what you are and are not.
> >
> >As for the "clown"like aspect of some of my posts: you should be at least
> >thankful that some humour was introduced in poetryect days of absolute
>gloom
> >and despair.
> >
> >To Ronny: kings used to employ "buffoons", and the fool was mostly loved
> >when greatest and strongest was his parody on the King's role and figure.
> >The tradition of the destabilizing presence of the jolly (from the
>Italian
> >"giullare", as you well know) was to serve the office of lightness and
> >laugh.
> >In Bachtin's theory of "laugh" in folk tradition, a King is suck only if
>he
> >is able to laugh at himself when reflected in the eye of someone fooling
>him
> >and his Status.
> >
> >If one is not able to appreciate to be fooled than one should ask himself
> >whether he will ever be able to become a King.
> >
> >Susannette
> >(luckly still on holidays therefore still able to reply: "me ne fotto!")
> >
> >>From: "Roddy Lumsden" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >>To: "Poetryetc" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Subject: Oldthread Re (and re and re) visited 3 - identity
> >>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:17:54 +0100
> >>
> >>I think its time again for a few voices to be raised against those who
>are
> >>abusing this list with false identities. It's one thing to pretend to
>be
>a
> >>13th century ghost, another to elicit sympathy by pretending to be a
> >>mentally ill young woman. Several members now have egg on their face,
> >>having risen to, or wasted time responding in good faith to rogue
>postings.
> >> Surely there must be some way of checking that list members are
>genuine
> >>before they sign up? And surely these people ought to be removed from
>the
> >>list without hesitation. Last time I spoke about this, there were
> >>suggestions I was double bluffing or being po-faced. I just want
> >>discussion to continue without clowns and bores taking the piss.
> >>
> >>Roddy
> >
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